this is denis prieur's latest.
my photo of it is gonna be on the cover of stylus for dec/jan.
the letters come off, and he's going to do something else w/ this piece.
isn't it great? he used saran wrap to create the watery look around the seal.
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It is a cool piece, but it is a bit wierd that you are making a point of claiming photo credit for documenting another artist work. Are you trying to do the apropriation thing like I mentioned in the Paul Butler photo below? I still can't remember her name.
i love this one by denis. it loks so playful.
I like it! I like it ! I like it! Throw me a fish please.
Why are we ignoring the photo credit thing? Who is that lady? James , I know you know!
I'm not sure which artist you mean, David. I think if another person takes the photo they deserve the credit. William Eakin, Ernie Mayer, to name two, always show up in the credits. And now Lorne Roberts. I like it.
I'll try to remember that artist, do you remember what work she appropriates?
Post Modernists!
As the so called "artiste de renom" I never really give a crap about that kind of stuff.
I must admit though that the wording "my photo of it..." does make it sound like the said photographer was the one contracted by Stylus to do the cover, and not the creator of the original plywood play-thing.
It might have read better if said photographer had written something like..." I helped this most famous artist with his cover of Stylus by taken these photographs...."
I also know that said photographer has no intentions of ripping me off - heck, he wrote my name right there for everyone to see - and that I am truly greatfull for his documentation of my work (I wouldn't have any good photos of my pieces if it wasn't for that nice photgrapher man).
Kazah to the photographer and a pox all all his nay-sayers!
Really what I was trying to get at twas the apropriation issue with that lady (damn, still dont recall her name). It is wierd that people take credit for things sometimes, or how they include themselves. I am not surprised to see this kind of response, but what do you think of outright claiming/apropriation? What if I took a photo of a Roberts or Prieur and just called it a Macri without any mention of the original artist? Would it be wrong? Is it wrong for Andrew to apropriate he-man or where do we draw the proverbial line? I am wondering, about our groups position on this not persecuting. Since we 're on e "Im a journalist/photgrapher/artist" kick, maybe it would be a good discussion (they brought it up at school and no one got mad)?
-Comment by David Macri
hehe
does this picture make anyone else feel like clubbing?
well...if you can't patent life, what makes you think you can patent art? Or anything for that matter.
The big corps whine that patenting is needed to protect ideas, which perpetuates innovation. I scream bullshit.
Ownership is greed.
Yea no shit, where'd it go?
:(
I have no problems(or at least few problems) with people posting art/images without the author's permission(I can see where the digital world's stance is, not to say that stance is my own). The part I don't like is when that happens, and its from a detractor ie: Mr.Eyre is not a hack. I don't care if you dump a pail of sarcasm on it.
I apologize for not immediately explaining when I 'sanitized' your work. I feel a little responsible for this site, maybe because my real name is shown. Now really, who is L-blizzard?
I will continue to sanitize for the greater good.
I think you'd be surprised how many people read this blog.
Censorship rules.
Feeling responsible for the site is one thing, taking ownership of it under "ALFA Canadian Cultural Collaborative" and imposing your view is absolutely and horribly wrong. I don't know if anyone remebers a certain "vagina painting" and an artist who cried censorship all over the media? Well I do. I also understood the purpose behind this call of injustice and sided with that artist (even if it almost got me fired). This site is for people with an interest in the Label to post view/images/whatever under the Label banner. Many people have worked hard to contribute what they can to make the Label an important place for artists, let's no go and ruin it with censorship, superiority and difference of opinion.
I thought Denis didn't care about ownership, hehe. This is the issue that needs to come out. GMO's and owning living things is an example of ownership gone too far. I 'd say I am in agreement with James about removing the post calling poor helpless Eyre names. It is ann interesting dilema, where one persons rights overlap another. It is my right not to be assulted, and consequently we must impose the law (removing of others rights) to protect. It is strange to have James be the judge/jury, but someone has to do it. This is a significant catch 22 inn civilization, art and blogs. Lorne feels the right to rework my painting, James feels the right to rework posts on the blog. Is it that important to expess negativity towards people? Lets see if we can overcome this by finding a balance. I believe there is a nuetral ground, a grey between the light and dark, but what is it's value, which grey is it? Absolutes suck, but are sometimes unavoidable. Good we got to this discussion though.
Tolerance is a must!
Tolerate the intolerance!
James should have consulted Lorne about changing the post. He probably would have consented without conflict.
that's gentlemanly conduct
Certainly knowing that a lot of people are coming to the site should not mean we change it in any way.
Ok, that last comment about consulting Lorne was Andrew, posting under my name (My name, it belongs to me!) , but i agree that could have been a great way to avoid conflict. A grey is found!
I just wrote a long response that never appeared, have I been blocked?
I guess not...
What I was tried to state was that this is not about calling Ivan Eyre a hack, it is about the right to call him a hack that is in jeopardy. The Label (virtual or not) has always been a place for people to share and the galery owes much of its success to the concept of "art for all and all for art". To start sensoring (or continue sensoring as the case may be)is to deny the true spirit of the Label Galery. An opinion cannot be wrong, however assinine it may be. There seem to be 11 people listed as contibutors to this blog; I fail to see how James' reputation is at stake and how he allowed to control all the opinions stated. It would be different is this was the James Culleton/Knick Knackerson blog, but it isn't.
By saying the blog isn't James's you inadvertantely say it is "ours" and claim (at least part) ownership. I remember getting an "invite" from James to join this blog. I warned him about the title one time, and how people might feel a sense of ownership (even shared ownership). Truth is, by starting this thing, JAMES, has created something. I understand how frustrating it is but bare with me.
Imagine if James decided one night to have a "Label" party at a house he built. He invited us all and told us to bring food and drinks. So later we all show up with our fruit baskets and cheese platter. Later on in the night, after a few tall cool ones someone starts getting a bit crass. For the sake of my little metaphor story lets say its me. I stand in the front of the party in the main room and say "So and so is a loser". Most of you know I really like "so and so" but it might be unclear to some new people at the party. So james grabs me by the arm and drags me to the kitchen. He says "Dave your being unclear and you better cut it out". Now I can take offense and say "f-off this is a label party, and anything goes at the label -and I brought fruit!" and storm out, or I can understand, he really still loves me, and is just doing his best to tell me i'm making him and possibly others feel uncomfortable. Sure, ideally he shouldn't have humiliated me by grabbing my arm roughly or whatever, but the point is, whatever he calls it, it is essentially his party. I would say the actual Label gallery and the blog/party are seperate enough to see this.
There are a couple possible solutions I can think of. One could be for James to sell us his house to party in all the time collectively, which would be real nice and fun (but a bit dangerous, for us and the house). The second would be to make him agree there will be no unannounced arm grabbing/deletions in the future. I would be ok, with either, and I don't think one would be better than another. It is fun for me, because I am carefull not to get too involved anymore (for basically this reason). It's only a blog, and 510 Portage won't come crashing down if it doesn't work.
I hope this isn't too heavy, I just feel I can see both sides here, being 7000 miles away. Forest from the trees you know.
On the other hand, wide spread interpost editing would surely be the end of ye blogyerblog!
Peace
Excellent! 28 comments later I feel pretty good. bumps, scratches and bruises, but smiling and happy to know that everybody is in unison.
I'm proud to be part of this group discussion. I don't intend for anything I say to be absolutes, I love to change my mind.
I'm in an interesting spot. The censorship thing will always be part of me.
I think I'm often heavy handed in my actions.
I was reading some of my own comments and flinched a number of times. What was I thinking? No teacher better than experience. Looking back at my footsteps and realising I was stomping aroung like a silverback. It happens. sigh
Great debate, I hope we all learned a few things.
If Macri said "so and so is a loser" and we all saw Macri making an ass of himself, we would think "Wow, Macri sure is an a-hole tonight!". If James then says in front of us all, "Hey Macri, could you please not speak in such a way, I think that so and so is a real nice fellow". Then I could say "I never really found so and so to be such a nice fellow, but Macri is being an a-hole"...etc. Currently, we don't know that Macri is an a-hole because James has put him in a closet and we don't even know that he is there.
Once again, this is not about ownwership and I do not claim ownership of this site. I just come and visit my friends on line(includng James who I still like)and make comments now and then.
I win!
by this I mean that I claim ownership of our victory
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