kind've reminds me of a komar and melamid painting. and the line I should take more photos makes me think of kelly clark from toronto.there's a lot going on.how big is it? I like the triumph of art over evil.although art is evil.muhahahahhahahahahah.cough cough. muhahahaha
Interesting question "Is it art". I would ask that on the snapshot or document type photos more than on a collage. I got asked that question alot at school (basically I paid 25k for this question, so don't get mad to get it free), even for straight out oil on canvas. Sometimes they challenged me saying "maybe it's merely craft". I always said I thought if the artist calls it art, it probably is. The next question of course is "Is it good art" which is even more problematic.
PS for the record I think this may be "good" ...for a collage, hehe.
Art to the greeks was craft(carpentry was used as an example).
"Ars" is medieval Latin, like "art", it meant any form of book learning, such as grammar, logic, magic, or astronomy. The term "fine arts" came later, meaning not delicate, but beautiful(late 18th century). In the late 19th century it was this term that became art.
Believe it or not!
Did you know that Joseph Beuys believed that everyone was an artist!
Can you think of any examples of conceptual craft? I guess a 7up bottle with googly eyes might be.
Labelling things with words like craft or art is useless. Labels are good for labelling wine, but that's about it.
Here's some labelling: Craft is skill, and skill is ability.
Here's something funny: In Webster's II, New Riverside edition, definiton 5. A practical skill:knack
How do you like that! Knackerson strikes again.
I think art & craft have been skipping along, hand in hand for centuries. Those who can't admit that are elitists. Which makes your mom a craft elitist, but that's not the right word. Craft snob? No..hmmmm
The argument that craft isn't art must be dead already.
What about design as art? Again, it's close minded to think that design isn't art.
What else can we talk about...Oh I got one, in the but is it art cate-gory. If I talk a really beautiful poo, is that art? Corn stippling? Peanut glazes? I would have to say that it's art, just as much as craft. It's up to the artist/crafter/designer/crapper to decide.
I think that the "Art Craft" debate is not dead. It was only a couple of years ago when me and Andrew argued for snapshots as Art in David McMillans Art Class. I think the key might be to say there is a distinction between Art and Craft, or Snapshot and Artphoto, but to understand one is not "better" than the other. The hierarchy is what to avoid, maybe. When you think of the significance of snapshots, and the role they play in helping humans form and maintain memory, or even the sheer volume of this documentation, I think it should be given a special place and importance in culture. On the other hand a provocative, conceptual, formal photo might be as significant as 100 photo albums or something. It is good to know what's what, but even better to understand the role they play in our lives. An interesting example is Collette Whitten, who does embroidery. She is an example of skill and contemplation transcending the confines of male oriented conventions. Still I find my self wanting to call he a "female, thread wielding Richter". Challenging what the boundaries are, claiming "this is art" is often one of the first signifiers to tell what exactly your dealing with; those with the audacity to claim what they do is art should be rewarded with artist status, no matter how outrageous thier urinal, snapshot, garbage or painting is. While everyone might be an artist, it doesn't really happen until they say so.
Cool discussion!
Art, Craft, Abstraction, Reality, God, and everything is dead, but also living. It is the hardes thing to understand both can happen simultaneously. Once we do, we wake up in a new way.
Yes, James, what is painting if not visual/conceptual organization? I am down with sowing too, although it is usually for repairs, It has found it's way into an occasional art piece for me (at school anyways). Also, where can we see the nathan quilts? Does anyone remember that Judith Panson lady? I used to gett a bit annoyed when James called my/our paintings "mere wall hangings", or "Wall Carpets", but since my visit to the Iranian rug store in Toronto, I am quite convinced there are many rugs that are truely 'fine' art. They have a mysterious aura eminating from them. They are not for walking on, but rather to be admired as great feats of human achievement. The intricate patterns are based on the organic world, including plants and animals. They are bright, ornate, records of the perception of people who lived hundreds of years ago. I intend to embrace these conventions, as well as push beyond them, rediscovering and inventing.
Judith Panson was an art teacher of mine. Her classes were unlike anything I`d ever experienced. No curriculum, conversation was art if you weren`t in the mood for physical graffiti. She used to let me hang in other students classes when I was too stoned for math.
Judith was your teacher! She made books for children with me, for www.blueberryhillpublishing.com What a great name too, always makes me think of the biblical Judith, a tough lady.
Jesse, another critic, I can't wait. Two critics are better than one. I like the idea we might be able to play you off each other, like "Mom, Dad said I could go out if it's ok with you..." hehe. PS. Come to Ulsan!
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It is art!
kind've reminds me of a komar and melamid painting. and the line I should take more photos makes me think of kelly clark from toronto.there's a lot going on.how big is it? I like the triumph of art over evil.although art is evil.muhahahahhahahahahah.cough cough. muhahahaha
Interesting question "Is it art". I would ask that on the snapshot or document type photos more than on a collage. I got asked that question alot at school (basically I paid 25k for this question, so don't get mad to get it free), even for straight out oil on canvas. Sometimes they challenged me saying "maybe it's merely craft". I always said I thought if the artist calls it art, it probably is. The next question of course is "Is it good art" which is even more problematic.
PS for the record I think this may be "good" ...for a collage, hehe.
On closer inspection, f-ck Roberts, this is super good!
Art to the greeks was craft(carpentry was used as an example).
"Ars" is medieval Latin, like "art", it meant any form of book learning, such as grammar, logic, magic, or astronomy. The term "fine arts" came later, meaning not delicate, but beautiful(late 18th century). In the late 19th century it was this term that became art.
Believe it or not!
Did you know that Joseph Beuys believed that everyone was an artist!
Can you think of any examples of conceptual craft? I guess a 7up bottle with googly eyes might be.
Labelling things with words like craft or art is useless. Labels are good for labelling wine, but that's about it.
Here's some labelling: Craft is skill,
and skill is ability.
Here's something funny: In Webster's II, New Riverside edition, definiton 5. A practical skill:knack
How do you like that! Knackerson strikes again.
I think art & craft have been skipping along, hand in hand for centuries. Those who can't admit that are elitists. Which makes your mom a craft elitist, but that's not the right word. Craft snob? No..hmmmm
The argument that craft isn't art must be dead already.
What about design as art? Again, it's close minded to think that design isn't art.
What else can we talk about...Oh I got one, in the but is it art cate-gory. If I talk a really beautiful poo, is that art? Corn stippling? Peanut glazes? I would have to say that it's art, just as much as craft. It's up to the artist/crafter/designer/crapper to decide.
I think that the "Art Craft" debate is not dead. It was only a couple of years ago when me and Andrew argued for snapshots as Art in David McMillans Art Class. I think the key might be to say there is a distinction between Art and Craft, or Snapshot and Artphoto, but to understand one is not "better" than the other. The hierarchy is what to avoid, maybe. When you think of the significance of snapshots, and the role they play in helping humans form and maintain memory, or even the sheer volume of this documentation, I think it should be given a special place and importance in culture. On the other hand a provocative, conceptual, formal photo might be as significant as 100 photo albums or something. It is good to know what's what, but even better to understand the role they play in our lives. An interesting example is Collette Whitten, who does embroidery. She is an example of skill and contemplation transcending the confines of male oriented conventions. Still I find my self wanting to call he a "female, thread wielding Richter". Challenging what the boundaries are, claiming "this is art" is often one of the first signifiers to tell what exactly your dealing with; those with the audacity to claim what they do is art should be rewarded with artist status, no matter how outrageous thier urinal, snapshot, garbage or painting is. While everyone might be an artist, it doesn't really happen until they say so.
Cool discussion!
Art, Craft, Abstraction, Reality, God, and everything is dead, but also living. It is the hardes thing to understand both can happen simultaneously. Once we do, we wake up in a new way.
any of you guys ever sow anything?
There are some really beautiful pieces on the latest Nathan CD.
Lorne, do you feel that your collages might digital quilts?(aside from being many other things)
Sometimes I think I sort things, order them. Does anyone else out there get what I mean?
Oh, prairie winds, blow my way, that wintery wind, from the west.
I love you guys!
Such amazing discussions! From craft to God to sorting, it fills me with the essence that I need to rage on.
Thanks Carlos
Rage on!
and...
Yes, James, what is painting if not visual/conceptual organization? I am down with sowing too, although it is usually for repairs, It has found it's way into an occasional art piece for me (at school anyways). Also, where can we see the nathan quilts? Does anyone remember that Judith Panson lady? I used to gett a bit annoyed when James called my/our paintings "mere wall hangings", or "Wall Carpets", but since my visit to the Iranian rug store in Toronto, I am quite convinced there are many rugs that are truely 'fine' art. They have a mysterious aura eminating from them. They are not for walking on, but rather to be admired as great feats of human achievement. The intricate patterns are based on the organic world, including plants and animals. They are bright, ornate, records of the perception of people who lived hundreds of years ago. I intend to embrace these conventions, as well as push beyond them, rediscovering and inventing.
Judith Panson was an art teacher of mine. Her classes were unlike anything I`d ever experienced. No curriculum, conversation was art if you weren`t in the mood for physical graffiti. She used to let me hang in other students classes when I was too stoned for math.
ART: the elevation of a craft to the status of meaningful.
Craft: The building, creating, forging, bridging, unmasking of a concept to the world.
A Sword in a Ring: I would like a drawing of a sword in a ring. I would like the answer to what kind of dance are those angels doing on thoses pins.
With words, or "snaps", or baskets, or needlepoint,anyone can render a thing. Anyone can be an artist. Being a critic, now that's tricky.
Judith was your teacher! She made books for children with me, for www.blueberryhillpublishing.com
What a great name too, always makes me think of the biblical Judith, a tough lady.
Jesse, another critic, I can't wait. Two critics are better than one. I like the idea we might be able to play you off each other, like "Mom, Dad said I could go out if it's ok with you..." hehe.
PS. Come to Ulsan!
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