Wednesday, February 25, 2009


GuerrilleroHeroico-1, originally uploaded by babajiwotan.

My religion worships one tru Almighty!
My religion also worships idols.

Che had great styl!

His experiences and observations during these trips led him to conclude that the region's ingrained economic inequalities were an intrinsic result of monopoly capitalism, neocolonialism, and imperialism, with the only remedy being world revolution.

I reckon if Louis Riel were alive today he would sing in the styl of Burton Cummings except rapping to raggae styl like Bob Marley with accompaanying blues driven rock and roll. He would rap about the following ideology:

The worlds ingrained economic inequalities are an intrinsic result of monopoly capitalism, neocolonialism, and imperialism, with the only remedy being world revolution.


I observe that all of these idols (save Burton) achieved martyrdom as a result of the expression of the preceding idiology.

the new age means a time that this ideolgy will:



Quitmoanez said...

I love Che.

wolfBoy said...

sorry, but i'm no fan of che.

when Louis Riel took over MB, he insisted that his men avoid violence and bloodshed at all costs.

the execution of Thomas Scott went ahead (on the site of the modern-day Petro Canada station) against Riel's wishes, and he insisted that his official stated opposition to it be recorded in writing.

when Che took over Havana with Fidel, one of the many things he was responsible for was running the main prison which now housed the "enemies of the revolution" --members of the old gov't, etc.

so when families came to visit their husbands, fathers, brothers, etc, in prison, Che insisted that the visitors be brought in to the prison through the execution grounds, meaning they had to walk through a courtyard where the walls were covered in blood and bullet holes, and where the sand was usually still wet with the blood of the men who had been executed that morning or the night before.

so, for Che, it was kind of a fun private game, apparently (according to two sources i've read), to torment the families who came to visit, by making them fear that their husband/brother, etc, might be the next to be shot.

i think Che is, by his own admission, a guy who enjoyed soldiering, and just happened to get caught up in (or lead) what could be perceived as a noble cause.

to me, he validates that theory that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, and the idea that, if someone's on "your" side of the political spectrum, it becomes easier to overlook their unseemly side.

also (not che's fault, but...) i find a certain irony in the fact that a huge sweat-shop based industry of toques, mugs, and t-shirts has sprung up based on the marketing of his image.

revolution has become a corporate brand.

scribe said...

comrade lorne, don't let the facts get in the way! ;)

cara said...

My grandfather was a communist, and was a huge Castro lover, He spent as much time as he could in Cuba. My grandfather provided me with the "story" about the revolution in Cuba. So, as you can imagine when I started to read about old Fidel, another story materialized, darn facts.

Has anyone ever seen "Before Night Falls", it's a very human and a gritty perspective on the revolution from an artist's perspective. It's also beautifully filmed.

I'm not very interested in Heroes per se, or more specifically hero worship, a waste of time i think.

Fidel Tigr said...

Ouch. Poor Che. I feel very sad for Che.
(especially after just watching the four hour new movie about him)

tough to say which facts are facts and which facts are fiction I find

after facts are found and filtered comes time for moral interpretation based on your personal feelings

Jeeze, it would seem to me as if Che was fighting a just war againts a tyranical enemy. he may have use violent tacticts at time but I dont think this automatically negates what he was fighting for.

I think that violence can be justified if it is in the role of protector or defender.

I feel that this is not very true:
i think Che is, by his own admission, a guy who enjoyed soldiering, and just happened to get caught up in (or lead) what could be perceived as a noble cause.

because of what che said:
-At the risk of sounding ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by feelings of love.

-I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves.

-The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture, and it is not always possible to make the people in general see this.

-We cannot be sure of having something to live for unless we are willing to die for it.

-Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted.

(Sorry Im writing so much but I think that this dudes story is key)

Just because someones image has become popular and widespread, it does it negate that persons legitmacy nor the legitmacy of his struggle.

wolfBoy said...

admittedly, i don't know much about Che, though i find some of his ideas interesting.

to me, though, a quote from Daniel Quinn summarizes the basic flaw in the "revolutionary" idea:

"When the plane is going down and on fire, you don't shoot the pilot, you grab a parachute and jump out."

To me, that points to the idea that revolution only replaces one oppressive hierarchy with another and that, more than armed revolution, it's a totally new paradigm that is necessary.

History has endless examples of why revolution only flips the power structure on its head, while still continuing in the same oppressive patterns---the American Revolution being perhaps the ONLY example where the immediate aftermath wasn't continued bloodshed and oppression, and where all the leaders of the revolution (and most of their enemies) lived out their lives naturally and died in their beds. (Although the oppression commenced almost immediately after the revolution, against aboriginals and against the U.S.'s southern neighbours).

Cuba provides a perfect example of why revolution doesn't work-- you replace one bad dude and his buddies with another bad dude and his buddies, and instead of it being the lefties who are tortured and shot, it's the righties.

So, no real change, just a change in who's the jailer and who's the prisoner is all.

The power structures remain intact.

Ghandi, and Martin Luther King, provide examples to me of how the most effective revolutions rely on a real and lasting shift in the cultural mindset, rather than just shooting the people whose ideas you don't like.

I mean, if the black people in America had taken up arms against their oppressors (which the revolutionist argument suggests they should have done), imagine the state the U.S. would be in right now.

They'd probably be in year 40 of a brutal, endless civil war.

Or else Al Sharpton would be running the country.

wolfBoy said...

also, i didn't say the "branding" of Che negated his ideas or his struggle.

what i said was that there's a certain irony in the fact that north american kids think they're somehow revolutionary for wearing che t-shirts that were made in sweat shops, by slaves, and that were imported and sold via the big, ugly, machinery of global capitalism.

TIGER said...

This is nonsense.

Che is true.
If you read what Che said and you learn about what he did. You will know that Che was righteous.

There is a time for nonviolence.

There also comes a time for violent force in the name of what is good. This is a fundamental fact.

If you dont understand this than this is something that you have yet to learn.

bhagavad gita

scribe said...

perhaps you would be so kind as to explain this more fully to those of us who have yet to learn this fundamental fact. yes, there's some exploration of this topic in the bhagavad gita. could you explain the matter in simple language for me please.

i'm also interested in how bob marley's death can be considered martyrdom. please explain.

tygre said...

sorry to be abrupt. I dont want to waste energy arguing about these things which I have faith in to those who dont have faith in them!